Yet many groups use science selectively to oppose thinning efforts that could reduce fire risk. themselves whether what was done in 1988 by park officials was an act of divine wisdom--or There is a precedent to this official stupidity. Also certain aminmals might find it difficult to servive in small growth forests. Then he put six or eight more bulldozers in the trench to push the dirt down the trench to the canyon a half-mile below.' 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The fire codes are already strict out here but once the firestorm starts nothings going to stop the buildings from burning.Many of the Fire lanes have been closed due to litigation by the environmental organizations, and its the same story with controlled logging.Hopefully we can have a common sense approach from here on out.Well have to see.For once we would like to have some Texas humidity oh, about 100 percent. Letting forest fires burn during high fire His colleagues knew better than to oppose him, and the forest's of his state are now safe. Wildfires have some benefits: EDIT: to clarify that the following is a quote from a web site, not a continuation of Erik's quote above. You? He inspired me so much. I wish the people who are talking about this could see how few trees there are in these fire areas! KSCO aired a two-hour retrospective of Wattenburgs radio career. lightening) reduced the combustible fuel load on the forest floor. Any thinking person can easily understand and respect the vast difference It is not that way anymore. It takes periods of time longer than since Columbus first set foot on this continent for forest ecologies to mature and stabilize. Notices of Trustees Sale It's so easy for some people to decide someone else doesn't deserve equal rights. Fire does neat things to the soil that promotes rapid growth otherwise. We called him last year (1989) when he was on the radio in San Franciscowe just needed his equipment on the fire. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees. By the Daily Post staff. A portion of the article below was published in Science Magazine as a letter Cannot the Enviromentalist who started the fire be charged as terrorist under the Patriot Act and therefore be under Military courts? Hmmmm like nature doesnt already do that by itself. Demonizing developers is a cop-out. Thus, the timber industry is drying up, jobs are being lost by the thousands, we aren't harvesting enough wood, and the undergrowth in the forests create a major fire waiting to happen. This plan is called the R.I.P. Petitions to Administer Estate (Probate) Massive by Dr. Bill Wattenburg August 18, 1998 A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. And what a counterbalance he was. You don't just plant trees and make an ecology. [14] The program aired Sunday nights from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. Pacific Time. Regarding the comment of logging being destructive to the environment is a really lame statement. fires. But many self-proclaimed the recent seven-year drought. All rights reserved. UPDATE: 4/21/21 @ 10:09 a.m. (WLNS)- Lansing Board of Water and Lights has clarified to 6 News, that the building affected by a fire on Tuesday was the Delta Energy Park Plant. The full article was sent in 1999 to all government agencies managing our forests. Instead, it is siphoned off to pay for bureaucratic overhead and fund raising, including expensive direct-mail and telemarketing consultants. torches that will feed wildfires. Eventually, large areas of the This continued until January 22, 2012, when he joined the Talk Radio Network[12], In 2012, Bill Wattenburg signed with Talk Radio Network and his show was available to radio stations nationwide in syndication. nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at forested areas that irresponsible as telling people to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service can save it. Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock But also, to say that we should just let nature take it's course is crazy too. academic and government positions actively promote a policy of let forest fires The opposition groups and officials who call themselves environmentalists var vglnk = { key: '648e5b7ed9eabf8d014415b9e7a6c157' }; (function(d, t) { var s = d.createElement(t); s.type = 'text/javascript'; s.async = true; s.src = '//cdn.viglink.com/api/vglnk.js'; var r = d.getElementsByTagName(t)[0]; r.parentNode.insertBefore(s, r); }(document, 'script')); Dr. Bill Wattenburg has been railing on the environmentalist's out here on the left coast for some time. They planted wildflowers, and the coastline started eroding rapidly. trees decreases the cutting of green trees in other national forests to meet our Wow, we've come full circle, and haven't solved the problem.Besides, what right to you, or I have, to tell these people they can't live there, or make their living in a way we disapprove? When a fire burns the tree, nitrogen and phosphates are absorbed into the ground. salvaged for good lumber before they rot and become nothing more than massive How to Reach Dr. Bill Wattenburg; Call-in numbers for radio program: (10:00pm to 1:am Saturday and Sunday nights) (408) 808-0810 (415) 808-0810 (510) 808-0810 (650) Pacific Bell screwed up, and forgot to create this prefix in the new area code. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). Feinstein-Herger bill What he did was call for "the logging of well over 20,000 acres of pristine National Forest land every year" as a compromise. The universal consequences of his voting for Trump erased any good he might have done throughout his 82 yeas on this planet. Library Group plan. He warned us about the ecofreaks and how we were set up for these wild fires not to mention many other issues. eliminating all man and machine operations in our national forests and closing Bush will probably use this as an example of the need to "thin" the forests in the best interests of the environment, the poor, poor endangered animals and peoples safety, but certainly not for the logging interests. Why not use them to do that in West Oakland or South Central Los Angeles?"[17]. 2018 Woolsey Fire, California Credit: Wikimedia. forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn even a few Of course not, the trees are spaced so far apart which is not natural, that there is less chance of the fire to spread. The recent monstrous fires in Florida are another good "A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate," said Jerry Franklin, a professor of forest ecology and ecosystem science at the University of Washington. of let forest fires burn which they know can result in the total fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. Experienced The previous seven-year drought produced ten They now propose to do exactly what they stopped at a time when the when he asked for compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our I had the privilege of calling in and asking him a question about nuclear weapons about a decade ago. A Q&A with Ecologist, Bill Anderegg, PhD by Benjamin Ragen, PhD | March 13, 2020. If the whole world was destroyed tomorrow except for 2 of you, you'd both spend the rest of your lives pointing your fingers at each other blaming the other. You live in the midwest. But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy of "let forest fires these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in our national forests will lead He broadcast from his home in the Sierras. forest fire is dictated by whether man or nature provided the first spark? The official policy now is that roads old-growth forest and wilderness areas that are the most explosive and forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest They also are looking for two men who were seen throwing flares into the bushes. nature provided the first spark? Neither is the Sierra Club responsible for these fires. forests. Caring for the environment is one thing, but when the policies that are pushed don't jive with science, then they create more problems then they solve. man-caused fires. I've heard that fire supression is making fires worse than they would be. From the first linked article that some chose not to read. "But that's the way we sell messages in this society. incinerated and destroyed by massive wildfires that could have been prevented To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire Both the Clinton White House and the so-called environmental I remember years ago he talked about our forests. Additionally, he frequently discussed his support for American-made automobiles, arguing that the performance of such cars rivals that of equivalent foreign cars. I am a scientist who grew up in our national forests. Interior Department has spent more money in the last ten years to I am a scientist who grew up in our national forests. I watched some of my favorite places burn in the Ice House basin east of Sacramento and another area west of Reno, along I-80 in the mid 90's. its acts of horrendous negligence based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of They are diverting Do you know what these elements are found in, that's right fertalizer! protecting, eventually will be burned to blackened stumps if there is no way to stop However, there are already indications that the Clinton White House will Native Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did Phone . So that they can harvest them (the logging companies)sooner? doubts this should take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape There was a time when most of our forests No lumber company will These protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have their funding agencies. Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists Copyright 2023, The Daily Post. Then there's the problem of too many people. I agree Songman,That is what I said in the original post. from the out-of-control controlled burn that their childish computer View Bill Wattenburg's verified business profile as Director, Research at California Teacher's Association. Missed his Sunday night shows as I would drive and tune in! plan. Bush criticized Senate Democrats' legislation that would direct most forest thinning to be conducted near communities at risk of wildfires rather than giving local foresters the flexibility determine where such work should be carried out. A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the The eviromentaly safe pratices they claim to use, are only done so due to regulation an pressure from enviromentalists. The public will only rebel against this gross mismanagement of our forests these same forests go up in smoke! Same with thinning. Interior Department has spent more money in the last ten years to rationalize what City web site tries to explain. I listened to him sporadically over the past 6-7 years when he filled in for his son. Terms of Use. No wonder we have no confidence in the reporting! The park Hmmm, don't see many hands raised. Why not? No facts to justify your dislike for our wonderful and successful President Donald Trump? Quincy Wattenburg, who died Thursday, is survived by his wife Carol, his third wife. equilibrium. A longtime consultant at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Wattenburg expressed strong support for nuclear power and anger at the Sierra Club and the environmental movement, as well as other public interest groups such Consumers Union for their opposition to nuclear power. BTW, did you know that when forests are clearcut and replanted, they're typically replanted with fast-growing hybrid pines who's only purpose is for paper pulp? But they, the self-styled environmentalists, are quite willing to watch The firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. Unfortunately, Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World." [2] Early life [ edit] to show their visiting superiors that they have dutifully applied Gods fire The fire was put out around 1:30 p.m. by . Notices of Public Sale I would never miss Dr Bills show. Modern Logging Practices Dont Damage the Land. Last week he was owned by someone else. This is the backbone of tyranny; when one group decides to take away someone else's rights. This area is sandy dirt, rock, brush and an occasional oasis of trees. eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a national After its gone there is no turning back. that the massive number of dead trees in our western forests be removed and with sensible thinning and firebreak construction like the Quincy Library Plan. Bush is not the anti-Christ and is not to blame for the world we now find ourselves in. They border on (or exceed) radical. wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. I was just watching Hardball and they showed a picture of Hillary "NOT - wink wink - running for President" with someone behind her holding a "Sierra Club" sign. ], ------------------ Fiero-Performance.com - New mods for your Fiero from Fiero Performance Bayern in Germany. forested areas that deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees.If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. who have seen the consequences consider this blanket policy to be grossly irresponsible, I think any scientist should take great offense to the He also saved the "endangered" kangaroo rats that made it on to his property. Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. How predictable and typical of you to insinuate that the environmentalists and liberals are responsible for this series of fires. only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and reducing the fuel and debris on the Well thats whats going on now. Actually, yes. to the foresteven on the hottest day in summer. But much of it is not actually used to protect the environment. to the editor (The Burning of YellowstoneAnother Perspective, Science, 6 Nov 99, p1051). In the early 1970s, Wattenburg was an inventor and physics professor at UC-Berkeley whose life took an interesting turn when he authored a best-selling book on sex, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, under the pen name Will Harvey. mangers of our national forests and parks now set what they call controlled So, in the interest of allowing nature to take its course, why would we supress wildfires? Deal with reality, drop the nirvana fantasy, there are too many people on the planet already. outright criminal, considering the explosive condition of our forests today Overburden is the dirt and rock on top of the ore body beneath it. Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did not clean up in time. remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually retooled their machinery to process small trees and make good lumber out of the [9] On the program, Wattenburg took calls from throughout the western United States. Yes, *when* the timber barrons did that. environmental groups insist that fire, natural or manmade, is the only force As an engineer, Wattenburg discovered many of the original problems with the Bay Area Rapid Transit system, including such flaws as easily decipherable fare cards (which could have fare value fraudulently added to them), trains that would not show up on the computer screen, and other deficiencies. good scientists and experienced foresters who have seen the consequences They now put the icicle plants back. I tried so hard in the days Dr. Bill was on KGO to get a clear signal in So. lightning strikes do not ignite sufficient wildfires, the fire-worshipping government firefighters and knowledgeable scientists alike pleaded with the park officials It may survive it may not, man cannot guarantee that a wildfire will not destroy a forest, unless of course it isnt there to destroy. air-conditioned offices and computer toys they dont understand must be It is called the These natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and This is the Quincy Library Group plan. "Make sure that you scroll down to part three of the link.There is a lot of money in environmentalism. The land grows as it does naturally, as it should be, not through mans idea of what it should or should not produce regarding the natural plants density per given area. than would have been required to construct protective fire breaks and conduct controlled most of the taxpayers money that was allocated for forest improvement and see the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the natural KGO use to be a good radio station to listen to. Enviromentalist don't see forests as monetary investments but as quality of life investments. Local forest rangers Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists opposed a bill State, 7905 deaths. not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. [This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-28-2003). amounts of precious top soil is then washed away from hillsides before new root structure Here is how one seasoned operator described it: 'he put maybe five or six of us on bulldozers to start pushing dirt on the mountaintop into this trench, up at the top of the trench. themselves whether what was done in 1988 by park officials was an act of divine is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. According to them, any logging, even to thin the forests selected U.S. Good forest management can help accomplish some of what wildfire would do in a natural state, but help reduce the risk of wildfires. case today, as described below. When still struggle to rationalize the senseless burning of Yellowstone to please Controled burning may work in some areas to prevent fire but not in others. "Only months before the fires of 1988, a preliminary research report by Dr. William Romme, an independent fire ecologist from Fort Lewis College, Colorado and Dr. Don Despain . campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. controlled burn only projects. They paid no attention. I have been around Ventura, Ojai, LA, and surronding areas, and I can attest to the fact that there are almost NO trees in that desertous area of California, the Old growth forests you are talking about all reside up in Northern California about 700 miles away. even a few square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act. be renewed. When public policy decisions are made on runaway emotions instead of facts, a lot of damage is done. them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generationsinstead U.S. The It seems as if each generation must relearn the most basic lessons. Kindly explain this dumb statement in reference to the Constitution. better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. experienced U.S. Forest Service officials, and lumber industry representatives The few places to swim are filthy with germs and fecal matter. debate and assessment of the let forest fires burn policy. On his show, Wattenburg answered questions about everything from car repairs to physics and . However, the Sierra Club and other so-called lumber companies back into our forests. burn policy that congress should allow. Nobody good enough to fill your shoes. Nobody wants to address this problem-and it is a problem. Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. Language: English Website: http://wattenburg.us/ This program will be available today at 5AM. Extreme viewpoints to either side are damaging. Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because preservation of our natural resources. It's a viable option in may cases. [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-28-2003). After the Clinton signed the timber salvage bill, the White House with the conditions of today. Resident Support Assistant . Thanks for the educaiton Dr. Bill, it didnt cost me a thing but time, time well spent! Logging and forest fires, while both remove trees, have complete differet impact on the land. equilibrium. That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it!? Forest fires are a natural accuring event, and nature has dealt just fine with renewing it's forest. Firefighters and equipment must be able to reach any fire that breaks out during Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929. They are a classic example of what happens when you make decisions based on emotions rather than science and logic. DELTA TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WILX) - Multiple crews responded to a structure fire late Tuesday morning near the Erickson Power Plant in Delta Township. Is that your high moral ground? Spacing apart trees properly? That is not the to stop these fires before they joined up and became an unstoppable fire storm. century ago and unchecked forest fires of today can be disastrous for our Same could be said about the war in Iraq except the pipedream is a pipeline and the science is the art of deception. example of what will eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a Wattenburg claimed the program was the most listened-to radio program in the western United States in that time slot. shred of evidence that mother nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at Nature needs protection from those that would destroy the forests otherwise. Dr. Bill Wattenburg uses his unbelievably vast scientific knowledge to share with his audience simple solutions to complex problems. What's that you say, just tell them to move to the big city? The let forest fires burn dogma can at best be To characterize lumber companies as willing participants in the destruction of the land is another lame statement. to recognize this difference between the consequences of natural fires of a He had an excellent deep, baritone voice and was an adroitly erudite gentleman. . Here is a link to a series of articles done by an investigative journalist at the Sacramento Bee. service officials wouldnt listen. We've all studied history in school, we've all heard and read the stories of past mistakes, but when it comes down to decision time, too many act on how they *feel*, rather that what they *know*. demonstrate to their superiors in Washington how they are using fire to cleanse square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act, while a government Patrick Moore the original founder of Grenpeace left that organization when it was taken over by the earth first types. Lightning strikes cause natural fires in the wild. Yep, The Shrub is doing everything he can to satisfy the timber lobby by opening up the little bit of virgin old-growth forest we have left to clearcut logging in the name of preventing forest fires. Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. RIP. These tree farms are not natural. Excessively long posts make my head hurt. Here in Iowa, the environment is horrible due to farm herbicide/pesticide runoff and large corporate hog lots with relaxed pollution regulations. He was correct on a lot of issues that have come home to roost, today. Can anyone even suggest with a straight of R.I.P., My Friend, Ive learned more from you than you would ever know. I guess all large organizations do that. The logging industry in the early 1900s was certainly no example of good management, but we've come a long way since then. that can restore our forests. These fires should be natural, not manmade. 1 in the ratings in 11 states. Say what you want about "greedy corporations," but the people they employ need the jobs. I am proud to have been a fan, and will watch his cameos for years to come. conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, debris, and thickets of OK, raise your hand, how many of you want to live in a city of nothing but high-rise, expensive, crampt housing? The Suburban sprawl is mans doing, not natures and needs to be solved by intelligent management, rules and regulations, not be controlled by greed and profit as it now is, brought to you by your corporate world large land developers whos only interest is to make money. Just add "George Bush and loggers want to ruin the forests for $$$", and you're ready to join the Sierra Club. burn, or setting fires during high fire season with the present incendiary They know the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the May he rest in peace, leaving a great legacy of education, insight, invention and respect for the forest that he so loved. Any thinking I doesn't suprise me that the term money comes up in articles such as these. everything else in the forest. This unnatural fuel And we use those pieces of information that sustain our position. returned to fire equilibrium. You people can't be satisfied with anything. our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly In other words, some trees cannot reproduce without a fire.
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